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BOUNDARYLESS CONVERSATIONS PODCAST - EPISODE 100
Indy Johar, Mission Steward of Dark Matter Labs, joins the podcast to help us rethink how we organize ourselves and our systems, addressing inadequacies of traditional business models that are no longer sufficient for managing complexities.
Bringing light to how “risk management should be localized, with decision-making power and accountability being as close to the problem as possible,” Indy argues for an organization that encourages participants to be citizens rather than employees and fosters continuous and accountable learning among individuals.
Tune into this episode and learn from Indy, a veteran in building mission-driven organizations, who has always stayed ahead of the curve.
Indy – who joins the podcast for the 3rd time – besides stewarding the mission at Dark has also recently joined RMIT University, teaching no less than “Planetary Civics”, a testament to his influence in the space of social innovation.
As always, Indy comes with a profound understanding of designing complex organizations for the 21st century, from his hands-on experience in creating radical innovations in governance, architecture, and social systems, particularly in sustainability and collaborative economy.
He starts the podcast with philosophical considerations about the nature of complex organizations and then highlights the need for a radical shift toward a learning-centered organization.
In the conversation, we question the traditional metrics of productivity and value and further advocate for new metrics that account for collective intelligence and systemic contributions rather than individual output.
There was no better way to celebrate our 100th episode because this one is a landmark. Grab a notepad and pick a pen, because there’s much to pin down.
00:00 Learning Centered Organizations for the 21st Century with Indy Johar – Intro
01:40 Introducing Indy Johar
10:31 Value of Learning as a Strategic Advantage
14:41 Accelerating Learning and Modifying Organizational Agendas
19:23 Structure in a post-managerial economy
24:46 The Design of Dark Matter Labs
34:19 Citizenship inside Organizations
41:54 Citizen or Employee?
47:25 Money making machine to avenues of value
55:16 Breadcrumbs and Suggestions
Podcast recorded on 19 March 2024.
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